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You need Q-tips. Lots of Q-tips. Helps to clean all their parts. You boil bottles. I only did when I firstr bought them. After that, I just washed them. The diaper goes on the bottom half, not the top. Boys always pee the minute their parts are exposed to air and they have really good eye and mouth aim. Beware of the pee. Formula is usually one scoop per 2/4 ounces depending on the brand. Once you feed them you burp them. Then you wipe the vomit off your shoulder. You are supposed to lay your baby on it's back or side to prevent SIDS. None of mine slept that way at all so they were on their tummy. Babies. Drink moo and go poo, that's all they do. Piece of cake. And don't forget the Q-Tips.

On the flip side, sometimes people know way too much, and have read too many things that they scare themselves silly with all of the information.

There may not be one complete manual, but there has to be a book or two with some good info in it? Unfortunately, I don't know one to recommend or I'd send it to you (I'm a step-mom of twins but I missed the baby part).

Or, perhaps all the secrets of mothering are only revealed during the intense periods of sleep deprivation when you bring them home??

I like the way it went down when we adopted Nico. We spent two weeks hanging around with the women who had cared for him at the orphanage and watched them do everything for the babies. Since I knew nothing, I decided that what they were doing seemed to be working and learned it so I could continue. I never cracked a book. And Nico was six months old, not a newborn. He was crawling for chrissakes!

Funny thing, though, with the newborn now, it's kind of like the same only smaller. I don't know. Babies aren't too complicated really. At least a healthy one like I'm blessed with, thank heaven. Knock wood. Spit twice.

So. I recommend flying to Vietnam and watching Phuong and Hoa and Niap. They make it look easy.

harhar. I too panicked after having James. Spent 3 days in hospital, obsessively saying to nurses: "show me how to put a nappy on; show me how to bath him; show me how to make a bottle." I was convinced I didn't have milk, so when we were discharged, I made the nurse make a bottle that I could take home and feed him overnight. He spent most of the night asleep.
There's no manual and, truth be told, you'll learn it all reeeeeeaaaalllly quickly. It's not rocket science.

Oh, gawd, I love how you gals say "nappy."

What a riot. Do you call the maxipads that as well?

No manual? Quite sure about that?



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Yes, T, stick with the search for a manual - you don't want to see the video version I promise.

And for you.... whatever you buy, get two - a blue one and a pink one. I love imagining that - T with twins. Still very very very happy for you.

Never read a book myself (even with all that time in hospital to kill). Well I tried once but it was a what to expect when you have twins book and spoke about letting them sleep in a drawer if you did not have a cot etc. etc. and they kept going on and on about how you will need help and lots of it - not an option for me at the time so what was the point of reading on. First nappy I ever changed in my life was Neale's in the incubator and I saw the nurse redoing it as I was leaving the nursary. Leaving the good ol NSC I kept looking for exit signs to turn the car around so I could get back into the house - I had convinced myself that the minute we left the parking lot they would stop breathing. You do learn really quickly though - my favorite reading when I stopped breast feeding after a month of zero sleep was the back of the NAN tin it contains really insightful and useful advice on mixing formula which I used to read over and over again while nursing my cup of coffee in the one hand and my head in the other! You will be fine - if I could get it sort of right you will do great!

Buy lots of socks, all in the same color, because babies come with Eject-O feet, and it's the only way to be sure you have a pair.
See if you can get nursing to work, as it is much simpler than formula.
Buy comfortable slip-on shoes for yourself because you'll be doing a lot of walking/bouncing/dancing.
Remember that even if you don't know anything, neither do the babies. They don't even know that you don't know anything. You can fool them!

Just keep in mind that babies are very forgiving - they have no more clue how to be parented than you do how to parent. Plus they are too young to remember your mistakes at first so can't hold them against you.

The most important thing is to love them unconditionally and I know you will have no trouble with that part so take a deep breath, don't freak out. Babies are not as hard as everyone thinks. They eat and sleep and go poo for the first four months. Once you get down how to take care of that, you move onto rolling and crawling and stuff. The first couple of months, when they cry, check their "nappy" and if they are not wet or poopy, feed them. Then burp them and they will probably go to sleep. Try not to over-stimulate them. They like to just look at you and look at other things. Talk to them all the time (and this is really important, I think). Tell them what you are doing all the time. If you are changing them, say, "Now we are going to change your nappy and I'm going to lift up your legs and wipe off your bottom." Not that they really understand but the talking is soothing and they will remember your voice from in utero.

Also, and this is really important for Adam...make sure when you change his nappy, you cover his penis with something so it doesn't spray everywhere and once you get the new nappy on, be sure that his penis is pointing DOWN. If you don't, you will get leaks out of the diaper. Nobody tells you that kind of thing, but it will save you washing a lot of clothes and cleaning up a lot of pee. My neighbor told me this since I am expecting a boy, too.

There are lots of books on how to take care of babies, even how to take care of twins. For example: Double Duty : The Parents' Guide to Raising Twins, from Pregnancy Through the School Years
by Christina Baglivi Tinglov or What to Expect the Year, which has all kinds of helpful hints for babies in general.

Don't worry, you are going to do great! Instinct will take over.

I'm with you, Tertia. Sometimes, if I let myself think about it long enough, I have to wonder, "Oh God! What have I gotten myself into?!"

As an aside: Do they not offer some infant care class through your doctor or hospital? Here in the U.S. you can usually take a basic baby care class in addition to the labor class (which I am skipping). But I'm all about the baby care class. I think you learn infanct CPR, too.

I will be needing a manual too. So much so, that I wrote a post about your post. Blogger is not cool enough to support trackbacks, so [cue shameless self-promotion] here it is: http://rotten-eggs.blogspot.com/. You're a genius--could you maybe write the manual for us?

When we adopted two kittens from a shelter we had someone who checked references, did a home visit and explained all the obvious dangers in our apartment and taught us about proper feeding,etc . With my baby, they are just going to send me home with her - me with no freaking clue what to do. Seems a little backwards to me.

My most helpful tip is that you don't have to warm bottles. My kids got 'em straight out of the refrigerator and are none the worse for wear.

If you can get a copy of THE GIRLFRIEND'S GUIDE TO PREGNANCY by Vicki Iovine (I think she also has a GIRLFRIEND'S GUIDE... to the first year of life) it's the most practical, most accurate book I looked at, and I looked at many, including WHAT TO EXPECT THE FIRST YEAR, which was good, but not always accurate.

Since you're having twins, I assume you're having a C-section? If so, you'll be in the hospital for several days, and you'll get quite an education. That's what happened with me. I was in the hospital for four days after my daughter was surgically removed from my womb, and I learned SO MUCH, all the while getting to eat whatever I wanted, and getting very healthy doses of happy painkillers.

A lactation specialist (probably will be one at your hospital) can recommend a good brand of bottle and a good formula if you're opting not to breastfeed. And the formula, just add lukewarm water and shake. I found the Avent brand to be an excellent (though expensive) bottle. If you can't talk to a lactation specialist, talk to your OB or a pediatrician.

Voila, The Manuals:

Mothering Multiples, by Karen Kerkhoff Gromada

Having Twins, by Elizabeth Noble

My hospital _did_ actually have classes on how to hold the baby, change diapers, feed him, etc. That didn't mean I felt highly prepared, but it was something.

Baby care classes are a joke. Who can keep a straight face while diapering a grubby-looking doll? A doll, mind you, that lays still and doesn't cry. Baby CPR, on the other hand, is a very good idea.

I'm a big fan of the instruction manual. Read as many books as you can and obsess over the conflicting advice. Some approaches will sound purely idiotic. You'll recognize these instantly if you find yourself reading and thinking there's no way in hell you'd ever do THAT. The "What to Expect in the First Year Book" has a lot of good information, is organized month by month and has a great index for quick reference. But, it also includes a lot of preachy utopian propaganda that can just be ignored. Your babies will not end up on the Most Wanted list if their delicate systems are sullied by a sip of formula before their first birthday or if you feed them something other than home-made whole-grain cereal sweetened only with freshly pressed organic fruit juice stomped with your own feet.

Stay flexible. Never hesitate to discard ideas that you previously embraced because what works one day doesn't necessarily work the next. It may be helpful, but certainly not mandatory, to inform DH about sudden tactical changes. In any every you'll know about 100 times more than he ever will within about the first hour after you bring the babies home.

For the love of God, stay AWAY from the What to Expect books. They are filled with all kinds of info on things that CAN and WILL go wrong with your pregnancy and baby. Not a good thing for us paranoid types. I recommend the Girlfriend's Guide books (they do have one for the first year), they are full of useful information and not all the scary shit.

I can only give yeah a quick run down of handy gadgets to have...as a nanny / super niece and nephew watcher these things were invaluble....

With twins get a double stroller side by side not one behind the other trust me the kids will thank you for this and it will allow you to get out and get some sun and air when your ready to go batty...

They have this lovely new thing (if your bottle feeding) for your bedside table its a bottle chiller warmer. You can chill 2 bottles in it through out the night and when you go to feed the babies put one in the little steamer that is attached and in 1 min its warmed to temp keeps from having to get up go to the kitchen fix bottles blah blah blah....there are a few mommas using this now and they all say AMEN THANK YOU. lol

Bouncy seat with vibrating wingamajig....get 2 of them ;) they seem to calm the nerves of the lil ones at least the kids i watched and the neices and newphew....Its good for when you do have to put the babies down but they dont want to sleep they want to be up and around and looking about but arnt raelly mobile yet...cause you know sometimes you just have to go potty, shower, vaccume, dust, fix bottles, fix dinner, change diapers....and some babies just hate being laid down flat when they want to be awake !

Also very handy the portable wheel a round travel cribs with bassinets and changing areas you can take in and out and they have adjustable bottoms to raise the height for infants and lower it when they get older 2 would be great but really only need 1 while the babies are lil....under a year probally...check weight restrictions but youll probally be ok. Its just a really handy thing to have really portable and movable and if you travel you can bring it with you nad the babies will have somewhere familiar to sleep.

Bottles lots and lots and lots of bottles if your formula feeding....boil them when yeah get them and if you are lucky enough to have a dishwasher you can reclean and sterilize them in there. Just run them by themselves so you dont get any weird food contaminations or anything. The Avent bottles are really nice and work very well but they are a bit pricy....playtex nursing bottles are good too...but sometimes not always one hand mommy friendly...

The little baby intercom things are great if you have a place that is big enough that you may or may not hear the kiddos waking from their naps.

blankets LOTS of receiving blankets especially they spit up and puke up all over them....seriously LOTS of those lil receiving blankies

Socks all one color as mentioned above its nice to have cute special socks but for every day stuff really the sock monsters love the baby socks and babies do have the sock ejector feet ;)

lots of onesies / sleepers / tshirts it samazing how much a baby can increase your laundry duties and double that with twins astronomical....

oh your own washer and dryer that is easily acceptable with KING SIZE CAPACITY if you can get it. I know they are not very common out side of the us but seriously if you can get one saves LOts of times as you can really pack the clothes in.

Books on tape or cd for yourself are really nice to you can be feeding / changing playing with the babies and still keep up on books nad have something stimulating you mind too.
Lots of love and patience is essential.

My favorite panic-inducer from What To Expect While You're Expecting was nestled in the back section which should be called "Scary Shit That Hardly Ever Happens, And There's Nothing You Can Do About It If It Does, But Worry Anyway." It said to consult your Doctor if you stop feeling the baby move (obvious) or if it MAKES MOVEMENTS THAT APPEAR TO BE FRANTIC. OK, so every movement you feel after that APPEARS TO BE FRANTIC. I vote with Lindsey - don't read too much of the wrong stuff

yay, keep it coming, i am going to put it all together in a special Tertia book.

You guys rock!

It really does help, promise.

Hi, nice to meet ya!

I've been reading for a few weeks now, and haven't commented yet. Anyway, as a Mommy to four, I thought I'd throw some advice at ya... Not that you have to use it or anything! LOL!

As for the double strollers someone else mentioned before... The side by side ones are cute, but I would get the ones that are front/back... You can get them where they face each other... Back during my infertile years my SIL had twins and she got a side-by-side stroller. When they were four months old we went camping with Joe's side of the family. Everyone wanted to go on a long hike, and as I was baby obsessed (from not having my own I guess) I volunteered to watch the twins so Debbie could go too.... Well, after a while I had to pee... Badly... Only problem was, there wasn't a toilet in my tent. So I carried both babies over to Debbies tent, wrestled out the strolller and happily got to the bathroom... Only problem was, I couldn't get the dang thing through the door, it was too wide!!! I couldn't just carry them in, because I couldn't lay them down on a dirty bathroom floor, so I had to take them back to camp and dream of taking a leak... Not fun... Buy a front/back stroller!!!

As for the bottles (if you formula feed), filter the water before hand and then add the water to the bottles before you need them. Like when they are first born fill all thier bottles with a couple ounces of water, and let them sit. Then when you need them, the water is at room temperature and all you need to do it add the formula and shake.... And I NEVER boiled bottles, and all my kids were/are healthy. Just threw them in the dishwasher with everything else.

Honestly, it does just come naturally. If you ask the nurses at the hospital, they will show you how to change a diaper and how to bathe them. But what they mostly need is LOTS of love.

Oh, and get an infant swing! Many of chores have been able to get done with the assistance of an infant swing... Battery operated is better!

Praying for your babies!

The other Julie

The scariest thing of all?

Once the nurse cuts the tags off of them, they are COMPLETELY non-returnable!!!!!

They don't TELL you that at the OB's, do they?

We got, as a present, a book called something like "the complete guide to baby care" (Maybe"the beginners guide?") I don't have it anymore as I passed it on to the next new mom I knew. It had those DK style photographs, very simple on a white background. It was designed so you could stand it up and read it hands-free.

And it started out: How to pick up baby from lying on back. How to pick up baby lying on front. How to put on an undershirt. How to put on a jumpsuit. How to clean a boy. How to clean a girl. How to hold an older baby. How to give a bottle. Literally. That simple. With photos of real people and real babies, being picked up, put down, held, and fed. It is a great book, and a very comforting book. DH, especially, loved it - he had NEVER held a baby before he held my friend's baby when I was 4mos PG.

Babies have been being born in dirt huts, caves, and rice fields for millennia. They don't need anythign except to be kept warm, dry, and relatively clean (and not bathing-every-day clean. Just "wipe the poop off all the folds" clean). They don't care if you have a wipe warmer, an electric bottle sterilizer, or any of the rest.

One more thing: While it's all well and good to have a towel or nappy handy for when Adam decides to have a spontaneous pee during a changing, either gender can projectile poo, and usually when you're wearing something really nice and are about to go somewhere.

Two tips for ya...

1) get the book "What to expect the first year". I am a type "A" personality and was also looking for a manual to handle my babies...this is as close as you will get! Huge index for questions on anything from ear wax to excessive coughing - seriously, I LIVED for the index of this book - and must've used it a million times in the first couple months when I didn't have a clue...chapters by month on what milestones to expect your babies to accomplish, etc...

2) For speedy advice on twin issues (or parenting issues in general), post questions on the boards at twinstuff.com --- the women there are fanatical about their boards and you'll get a dozen answers to your question almost instantaneously...also rewarding for a Type A personality - I want answers and I want them NOW!

I'm sure you'll get a ton of twins advice but here are my nuggets, take them for what they're worth:

Best Product, and You Definitely Need Two: BOUNCY CHAIRS. Excellent way to feed them both if you're alone. Most other things we got by with just one and they shared/alternated (especially toys)

Stroller Tip: look for a stroller w/two child trays - the one I got only has a tray in the front which was no biggie for the first 8 months or so, and I didn't really think it was a big issue....but it sure is now -- how fair is it that one of my kids gets cheerios on our strolls and one gets nothing?? Cheerios are the only thing that will quiet them down when they get antsy and one kid gets gipped!

Anyway, the bouncy chair was the biggest lifesaver in the beginning, and the stroller was something I wish I would've thought more about before purchasing, so thought I'd pass along my two cents.

Love your blog! :)


The best things I ever bought for my boys (and my peace of mind) were sleep sacks. I felt so much better at night knowing they couldn't pull blankets over their heads! And the boys love to cuddle up in them. Here's the link:


(a mommy of twins who's never posted before, but reads your blog all the time...i'm so happy for you!!)

oh yeah, and definitely Q-tips :-)

i knew next to nothing about babies when we brought collin home. in fact, the first diaper i ever changed was a day or three after we brought him home. we'd signed up for the parenting/babycare class at our hospital, but i was put on bed rest and missed the session. i was kind of counting on that class to see me through the first few weeks, but, c'est la vie!

i threw out my "what to expect when you're expecting" and "what to expect the first year". i thought they were alarmist and poorly-written. i know there are a lot of fans of those books, but i have also met moms like me who hated them. best thing is to see if your OB has a copy, or your library, or another mom, so you can see if you like the books or not before you invest. (and even if you like them we can still be friends!) i was also not into "the girlfriend's guide..." series. i guess i'm a picky reader. i do like "the baby book" by dr. sears, but i know this is another divisive title. i found it less alarmist and more in line with my intuition, so it is the one i kept.

i like the websites babycenter.com and askdrsears.com. i know there are others, i think babycenter has babycentre.co.uk as well.

i spent my pregnancy getting ready for labor and delivery moreso than getting ready to bring our son home. mistake! but then, i didn't know that i would develop preeclampsia and need a c-section. anyway, both my husband and i had a moment of panic when we were getting ready to leave the hospital. i said something along the lines of, "we get to take him home by ourselves??" to the nurse who checked our bracelets with his to make sure we were really his mommy and daddy.

i wrote a lengthy entry on my own blog (linked in my sig--scroll down to 'a truckload of unsolicited advice...') with my advice for parents-to-be.

the one thing i would advise is to give breastfeeding a shot. with twins, it will be a challenge, but if you are amenable to it, you may find it is worth the effort. you may find it is easier to switch off nursing and bottle feeding (have your husband give the bottle while you nurse), so that each of the twins gets some breast milk. my supply is skewed due to PCOS, so we have to do both bottle and breastfeeding.

oh--and stir the formula--shaking causes bubbles can cause gas/tummy upset and a lot of screaming.

I agree with Susy - with twins I am assuming you're having a section. Here, in the US, that allows you a four days stay in which the nurses will be your best friend and teach you everything you ever wanted to know (and things you didn't want to know!).
The most important thing is to love those babies and I know you'll be great in that department.
Relax, and best wishes!

I forgot to mention earlier... DO NOT forget to get the vibrating bouncy seats!

Is my kid the only kid in the world who hated the bouncy seat? Hated hated hated it with the red-hot intensity of a thousand suns. Screamed bloody murder in it.

Also hated the swing, but fortunately we'd only borrowed that, not spent money for it.

Seriously see if your hospital or a local parenting center offers both newborn care and breastfeeding classes. Both were invaluable to me. The best thing about newborn care was that there are so many strange things that happen in the first few weeks, and the class told us what was normal. So that rash the third day--normal. That "blood" in the diaper on day 4--normal. Those freaky bumps on his face--normal. Lots of stuff that could have completely freaked us out didn't because the class told us what was normal. The peace of mind was definitely worth the three hours we spent in class. (They only spent about 5 minutes on diaper changing, because really, who can't peel and stick? My only boy tip is to make sure you point the penis down or he'll pee out the top of the diaper.)

Most important thing for me to have when my little guy was an infant was a couple of good friends who were willing to:
1) to listen to me talk about how fabulous my baby was
2) Listen to me talk about how fabulous my husband was
3) listen to me talk about how horrible my baby was, and what an obviously terrible mother I was because he wouldn't stop crying and I couldn't stop crying
4) listen to me talk about how absolutely horrible my husband was because he wouldn't come home from work when the baby and I couldn't stop crying.
5) Come over, make me tea, and let me know that their hormones did the same thing and it will all be all right...

Delurking to say THANK YOU to all the comments..lol!!! 25 weeks pregnant here and taking furious notes!

Tertia you are wicked cool and I am very, very happy for you!!! You will do a fabulous job and even if you don't, your babies won't know the difference. :)


I've been a nanny for years (can't bear it now, sadly). Mostly I have twins.

Go and get a book called "secrets of the baby whisperer", then read it again. This woman has the stuff - really.

Oh, and you need lots of squares of cloth - you can wrap their bum up in some of them, wipe their faces with some, wipe yourself with some, dry the babies with them, you can drape them over a pram to keep bugs or sun out, you can wrap the child in it to keep them calm, you can drape them over the child to keep them warm - ah, the myriad uses of squares of cloth when there's a baby or two in the house. They're very important, are cloth squares.

OK-- let me add my two bits:

1. Buy a few red washcloths. Once your kids are walking and falling nothing freaks them out more than seeing blood on the washcloth. Plus (I know this from today...) when they pick up a marker and color their own feet it will invariably be the red marker...

2. Harder to do with 2-- but buy a baby bjorn and wear the kids (one at a time!) as much as possible between the hours of 1 and 4pm. Every mom I have told this to who has done so has NOT have colicky babies.

Just a few tips from a former infant nanny:

When they're upset:
Try to mimick the womb environment when they seem upset.

Lower the lights, vacuum or put on static-y radio or TV to create constant white noise - and make it louder than they are crying - it will soothe them.

Wrap them up tightly (search swaddling on google for some good methods) so that their arms are straight-jacketed down to their sides. Trust me - this is very comforting to a newborn, crazy though it seems. Reminds them of their cramped quarters in you.

Lastly, jiggle them while swaddled on your knees - just keep a quick, short beat of your feet and support their heads. Movement is very soothing to the newborn.

These ideas, used together or seperately have soothed every fussy newborn I've nannied.

2. Don't sweat anything else, other than keeping them fed, in clean diapers, and burped. As everyone above has said, this is all babies have needed since the beginning of time.

You and Marko will get through it, and your babies will never be the wiser. By the end of the first month, you'll feel like experts and consider writing your own baby manual for all the poor first-time moms that you know!

Another delurker...and mommy to 3 month old boy. These are all my best tips.

Put the the clean diaper under the baby before taking off the dirty one. That way you can minimize spraying from any orifice.

To bathe a baby boy every night, you need two baby washclothes, one for him, one for urine. I made the mistake of thinking seven would do for a week. I went out and bought more.

Buy the largest, sturdiest dishwasher basket you can find. You will go crazy fumbling with small flimsy ones.

Sleepsacks are great.

You need more onesies and pajamas than you can imagine. My son still sometimes goes through three onesies and two pajamas a day.

Get about 20 receiving blankets. This will come in very handy if your son is circumcised, as the petroleum jelly you put on the penis will cause urine to slide out of the diaper everywhere. Plus, you can never find a burp cloth when you need it.

I loved Linda @Indigo Girl's tip about taking off a crib side and attaching the crib to her bed. Bloody brilliant, I wish I had thought of that. I never thought I would cosleep, since my son is bottlefed, but we were so tired it was easier to have him right there rather than down the hall.

Take home the squirt bottle they give you at
the hospital. I put it through the dishwasher and now use it to rinse shampoo from his little head.

Put pacifiers everywhere. Babies need to suck sometimes.

I bought all Dr. Brown bottles, and I'm tired of all their parts. I bought a couple of Avent and really wished I had bought their whole system.

Fisher Price Kick and Play bouncer is great, also comes in handing for feeding cereal.

The Happiest Baby on the Block Book has helped a lot, too. Or you can just Google "the five S's"

Pampers Swaddlers are great diapers. They have stretchy sides.
Hope these help.

Can I chime in here, just in case you don't have enough advice yet? Yeah, right.

I agree with all the posts warning you from the _What to Feel Scared and Guilty About When You Are Already Feeling Scared and Guilty_ books, but mostly just because they are a downer and not very well-informed or helpful. There are lots of good books for Type A personalities, and reading a range is probably the best if you're going to read anything.

On the other hand, I would highly recommend reading carefully the arguments for and against taking any kind of "baby trainer" advice in raising your own sweet, innocent babes. This includes any books by "trainers" Ezzo, Ferber, Weissbluth, Hogg, and the like. I won't say on a public forum what kind of tree I think their solutions should be hung from, but I will warn you to be fully educated before you take their advice.

Some books I have loved that have been extremely helpful and inspiring and make me feel good deep down even when things are hard (you will need this kind of feeling when you're wiping vomit from the shoulder for the millionth time in one morning):

Davis and Keyser, _Becoming the Parent You Want to Be_ (double triple five stars)

Dr. Sears's books (_The Pregnancy Book_, _The Baby Book_, _The Family Nutrition Book_, and so forth)

Faber and Mazlish, _How to Talk so Kids Will Listen and Listen so Kids Will Talk_

Pantley, _The No-Cry Sleep Solution_

Tertia, if you go with your instinct and mother from your heart with your eyes on your children, you really can't go wrong, with or without a manual. I can't see how any parent could love her children more than you do, and will, love yours. They are already so lucky.

PS Mothering.com is a great resource, if you're looking for more on-line comraderie. Embee and others from TLOL are there--if you poke around a little, you'll see them.

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