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Any info would be greatly appreciated. I'm at 34.5 weeks and in the same boat with a frank breech little girl. I've tried the breech tilt and variations of hands-and-knees positions, with no success, I called a chiropractor lasst week - waiting for a callback.

Spinning Babies is the only reasonable stuff I've seen so far .

Tell her to get down on her hands and knees like a dog for several minutes everyday until she can feel the baby rotate. The pulls everything away from the backbone, creating extra space and allowing the baby to flip.

I was reading some good information on helping babies to turn on www.spinningbabies.com the other day. I am worried I will have position troubles with my current pregnancy, due to an anterior placenta. Wish your sister good luck!

My sister was breech with her first pregnancy she was well into it already. The doctor did something called a "version" two doctors actually turned the baby from outside of her belly. My sis said it was quite painful but the baby stayed put and she delivered naturally and everyone was healthy. I wish your sis the best of luck.

Here is a link to a site that talks about the version procedure.

http://familydoctor.org/310.xml

We had two breech babies in our childbirth class. One of them decided to let him stay that way, the other one did everything she could to get him to turn - and it worked - she tried different things though, so she didn't know if it was the positions she tried or the moxibustion.

Our birth instructor told us that moxibustion has a higher success rate than external versioning. I would definitely try that first, as well as the different positions. Then there's the external version that you do with an ultrasound to make sure you're not tugging on the cord or anything.

Our birth instructor did the version with her second - she had to do it twice, but it worked the second time.
Good luck!

I have a friend who's a family practice doctor. One of her patients had a breech baby and had a version performed very late in her pregnancy. All seemed to be well. She came in the next day: no heartbeat.

The perfectly healthy, full-term baby had been strangled on the umbilical cord.

My friend then had to induce labor and deliver her of this beautiful, perfect, flawlessly formed, full-term dead baby. They were both sobbing.

The worst of it: the pregnant gal's sis is an OB/GYN who informed her of the risks of the version procedure and advised her against it. I don't know what that poor woman is feeling, but I know if it were me, I would never be able to forgive myself for going ahead with version, knowing its risks.

I'm sure every medical procedure has risks, and it's still worth going ahead with many of them. But here, if you weigh the risks and benefits, you have to ask yourself, What's so bad about a C section? Vaginal delivery isn't worth the risk -- even a very slight risk -- of killing your baby.

*What have you heard about moxibustion sticks?*
Tertia, Tertia, I gave those up when I became a christian. I couldn't take the flashbacks... Where was I?...

I'd just like to point out that it's official, Scott is THE biggest nerd I know. And I know many.

Victoria's story above is tragic, but performed by an experienced practitioner, with the appropriate muscle-relaxing meds and constant ultrasound monitoring, external versions are considered safe. Your sister can discuss the risks with her OB. We were scheduled for a version but luckily the baby turned on her own, or my impressive swimming-pool-handstand routine worked. I prefer to think the latter! There are risks associated with every form of delivery of course. And everyone can tell you some horrible scare story about each method (though I dearly wish they would not). The key is to have an open discussion with your OB about evidence-based standards of care. I second the recommendation of spinningbabies.com. Everyone has a favorite method for turning--why not try as many as you have time for? I hated my inversion sessions on the ironing board, but loved the pool. If we'd gone down to the wire I was ready for moxibustion, accupuncture, heat & cold therapy, music, all of it!! Why not? Best of luck to your sister.

Hands. And. Knees. I turned my oldest at 34 weeks crawling under a table to mop up spilled paint. Although maybe the cursing was really what helped. Try cursing, too. The EFF word.

umm, can i recommend moving house? we moved a month before my due date (and Cameron was lying transverse breech before then) and i'm sure that did it. not that i lifted anything heavy or suchlike but the packing of boxes, yelling at moving people to be careful with the fragile stuff and general hormonal yelling helped. when we sat down to dinner the first night in our new home, we watched as Cam rotated.

oh Victoria, that is the saddest story. the saddest. *comf*

My second baby turned breech at 37 weeks! (was not breech up until then). I tried going to a chiropractor but it didn't work, however I had a Version done and it did. It was painful but over very quickly and had an easy delivery right afterwards. Good luck to your sis . .

Lisa O

Crap - I didn't read Victoria's story before I posted . . MY OB induces labor immediately after the Version is done and also uses ultrasound while the Version is being performed - that way if a heartbeat slows or whatever they can do a C section to save babies life. That just breaks my heart!
Very best of lucktto her whatever she decides.

Lisa o

I normally abhor 'scare' stories, but having suffered an attempted version, I just have to throw in my 2 cents here. I too had a footling breech, this was my THIRD baby, so a very stretched uterus, a smallish 6 pounder baby etc. I had an IV, the muscle-relaxant meds and all the rest. As they attempted the version, I suffered a completely unexpected placental abruption and spent a mind-bending 5 minutes lying in a pool of my own blood as they prepped me for a crash c-section. Both my son and I were okay, but it was a very, VERY scary experience. I know that every medical procedure has risks, but this one seems to have more than most, I've read much anecdotal evidence to support this. If you contemplate this, make sure you have competent docs and are in a hospital with an OR, just in case. Best of luck.

I've heard that it has a surprsingly good success rate (and if it doesn't work, no risk, no loss). The pregnant woman lies down and another person burns the moxa/moxibustion sticks at her pinky toes, I believe.

Victoria's story is heartbreaking.

I wonder whether babies are sometimes breech for good reason, having to do with length of cord and placenta location.

I've heard that it has a surprsingly good success rate (and if it doesn't work, no risk, no loss). The pregnant woman lies down and another person burns the moxa/moxibustion sticks at her pinky toes, I believe.

Victoria's story is heartbreaking.

I wonder whether babies are sometimes breech for good reason, having to do with length of cord and placenta location.

Had a successful "hands-and-knees" with my daughter. Good luck to your sister.

My second child was breach at 32 weeks, then turned on her own, at 34 weeks and turned again, and also at 38 weeks and I was scheduled for a Version. When we went in for the Version, we found she had turned on her own and she stayed head-down until she was born at 42 weeks. My son was transverse at 39 weeks and ended up turning at 40 weeks so you still have some time to see if the baby will turn. If you decide on the Version make sure to be educated about the risks and do it in a controlled space. If the baby stays breech, you can have a C-section and the baby can be born okay.

Have to second the www.spinningbabies.com. I have heard wonderful things about it! I am not to that point yet, but have it bookmarked for later.

Can she get to a pool and go swimming? My DD was breech at my 34 week appt on Friday. We then went on vacation and went swimming in a pool for at least an hour a day. Went to my appt the Tuesday after we got back 35/36 weeks and DD was in proper position. I believe it was all the time in the pool. I did feel lighter in the pool. I am betting that the lack of gravity gave her some room to move around.

Best wishes to your sister.

Just to clarify: the woman whose baby died after the version was kept for monitoring not only during, but also after the procedure.

She was monitored for an hour after teh version and the baby seemed fine, in no distress. No one realized anything was wrong until the next day, when she noticed the baby wasn't moving, and came in for a checkup.

Also the procedure was performed by her OB/GYN (not my friend, the family practice doc).

I don't know about the details -- whether muscle relaxants were used, etc. -- but have no reason to think that the procedure was performed negligently.

Ok, I have to chime in here (as a doula for over 17 years)
The woman's baby didn't die because of the version if she was fine during and an hour or so after and monitored all during that time. Something else happened that involved the cord but if it was because of the version then it would have happened during or immediately right after (within a few minutes).

And having a baby cut from you surgically (while sometimes necessary & life saving) carries many more risk and complications to mom/baby than a EC version done with proper guidance/support & with an experienced caregiver.

Now - with that off my chest and to get back to the original question that Tertia asked....

Moxibustion can be effective for turning a breech. So can slant boards, the Webster Technique performed by an experienced chiropractor, hand stands in a swimming pool, accupucture, meditation, hypnotherapy, self talk and ECV (external cephalic version).

Spinning babies is a good resource and so is http://www.breechbabies.com (I couldn't get the sidebar menu to load on my browser to post a link to ways to turn a breech baby.

If the baby were a footling breech, then (professionally) I would exercise caution as there is a great risk with vaginal delivery of cord prolapse. A frank breech can be delivered vaginally if mom and caregiver are on the same page.

The person who said that sometimes babies are breech for a reason is right. The thing is that we don't often know what that reason is until after delivery.
I wish your sister the courage to keep exploring her options, educate herself about those options and most of all - a great birth (no matter what kind of delivery she has)

WashLady, both my friend, her family practice doc, and her sister (the Ob/Gyn), and her Ob/Gyn all thought that the baby's death was due to the version.

But I suppose it could have been something else that killed the baby.

It's a little late for this method, but sometimes it's worth trying the non-invasive things first. Get into a slightly inverted position, as comfortably as possible, in a darkened room. Then take a bright flashlight and put it against your stomach about where the baby's face is. Then slowly move it in the direction you want the baby to flip.

This is a cool trick. My mother used it on me. Except I was stubborn and kept flipping back over and was eventually born, frank breech, as naturally as a hospital birth can get. My sister used it on her baby, but not to get it to flip...she just thought it was cool. Like teasing a cat with a laser pointer. Her midwife wasn't happy.

I'm so sorry to hear about Victoria's tragic story.

My neice was footling breech and my sister was told there was nothing to do about it.. she still tried the hands and knees stiff, acupuncture, armatherapy, and a whole tone more. But they said with the wee foot down like that there was no way to safely turn baby....

"My sis said it was quite painful"

HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA!!

My answer to a breech baby: HAVE A C-Section!

Yes, it is possible to turn the baby. Yes, it is possible the baby will turn on it's own. It's also possible that something could go very wrong, and my doctors said they wanted to C because, while most natural breech births are okay, there is a percentage where they're not. And enough of those babies and that percentage might be your little one.

Tell her to go au natural and hope the little bugger flips, and if it doesn't, to have a section and not feel one iota of guilt.

My version of the version is here:

http://speckblog.blogspot.com/2004/08/speck-1-doctors-0.html

It HURT LIKE AN EVERLOVING MOTHERFUCKER and I will never, ever attempt one again. So there. And they monitored the baby's heartbeat, but just to clarify, I have yet to speak to a doc where they do an ultrasound as they are doing the version.

They work, but nothing is guaranteed, and I wouldn't try one again.

P.S. - Nothing else worked either, by the way, but on September 10th I gave birth to a healthy baby boy via c-section. That was the answer I was looking for. Happy, healthy, non-cord threatened baby.

I wanted to make sure I wasn't just posting a slightly foggy, badly-remembered story (it happened a year ago) that was scaring people for no reason. To make sure I had the facts, I called my friend, the family practice doc, and asked her about the details.

She said:

1. the risk of a negative outcome from a version procedure is 1 in 100;

2. she thinks this is a higher risk than that of a C-section, but she didn't give me a number for that risk;

3. the risk from a version continues for THREE DAYS after the procedure (!);

4. in the case of the dead baby, they evaluated the baby after its birth to determine its cause of death and eliminated every cause of death but a cord accident.

They still can't be certain that the baby died of a cord accident or that, if it did, the accident was caused by the version, but they concluded that the version procedure was the more likely than not cause of the baby's death.

Then she said, "But it's still a totally common procedure. People have them done all the time. I just had another patient who had one done, even though I wasn't really in favor of the idea. Your friend should do whatever her doctor thinks is in her best interest."

It all just depends, doesn't it, on the person and the situation? I had a version at 37 weeks. The doctor had a nurse doing the ultrasound as he did the version. We watched the entire thing. It didn't hurt at all. It wasn't comfortable, mind you, but I wasn't in pain.

And then...at 42 weeks, I ended up with an emergency c-section. Sheesh. But, I do have a healthy baby. No advice, just wanted to let you know that versions can spin a baby without a lot of pain. And that c-sections can happen even when a baby is NOT breech. If I had to do it over again, I'd have skipped the version and just scheduled the danged c-section!

I've no recommendation because for someone who is likely to go full term, even if you get the baby turned, (s)he could turn back anyway. So it's best just to wait it out and see what happens. If nothing else they can try and turn the baby at the hospital.

I learned at 36 weeks my girl was breech and at 37 I had a version. At the hospital, an IV in (in case I needed emergency c)and an ultrasound before and after. I meditated before - just did deep breathing and counting outloud softly - the doc started and it took him under one minute. It didn't hurt a bit. One week later she was born at just under 10 lbs. They were suprised she turned, but I said it was because they could grab her big bottom and that made it easy.

I think your Lordy Doula'ish sister wont' want to hear this but when i was PG with my twins, my daughter was breech and i really wanted to avoid a C-section and have someone turn the non-cooperating brat around, but, no dice. NO ONE would get involved with it here in the States. I was immediately guided down the c-section path in order to avoid cord strangulation and having heard a friend's v. bad story about her breech baby dying who go turned i stopped asking for it.
Would rather have a live, healthy baby and a scar than any problems.

Oh, yes, there was one person who volunteered to attempt turning my baby girl... the Acupuncturist... she thought her needles might help me!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Talk about scam artists....

Suzie-Q I was in the same boat.. But up here in BC Canada my beggings for a C-Section were refused repeatedly!

Baby A born vaginally and then OB stuck his hand up my cervix (yes, as painful as it sounds) and manually turned Baby B. The most painful 9 min. of my freaking life. On the bright side I was up and about the same day.

I'm ready to be scorned for this, but - when my OB told me my 1st born was breech and I would have a section I grabbed his hands, smothered them with kisses and then jigged my way out of the office.
Yep. I was THRILLED.
As a nurse I had seen enough births to decided it was the way for me to go.
They don't call it "labor" for nothing!
LOVED my sections! Love love love all 4 of 'em.
And not just for selfish reasons. I have only seen nice clean sections with easy births for the babes.
I have found the women who didn't like their sections were the ones who labored for many hours and THEN had a section.
And my friends and I found, if you paced yourself right, the recoup was the same if not easier than a vaginal birth ( I mean, stitches across your bikini line versus stitches ELSEWHERE!! ).
And if you're lucky enough to have a planned sectioned with a date (no guarantees the baby will abide by that, I learned once, tho) the advantages are many. You can pre-arrange your other kids schedules, your Mom will know when to plan on arriving, and your husband will know when to take a week off.
Yes, yes, I know - you can tell me everything you thing YOU think I missed out on. The "naturalness" of a vaginal birth, the satisfaction of hard work rewarded, etc., and I'll shrug and laugh. I'm glad it was wonderful for you but know what? It was wonderful for me also - and I didn't have to go through labor!
Call me shallow. Call me misguided. Call me weak and chicken ( I'll agree with you there) but you won't change my mind, make me feel small nor guilty. I will always feel most fortunate.
I gotta go dig out my tee shirt that says
Cut me
Slice me -
ANYTHING but labor!!

So tell Mel to trust me on this and go for the section.

( I WAS offered a version, but joking aside, the potential risks nixed that for us immediately and my OB didn't push it. I hate to disagree, but I know for a fact that complications regarding the cord {kinks, etc.} and the placenta {minute tears, creasing, etc.} HAVE been documented to be found many hours after the procedure.)

Christine, I loved your comment, and your tee-shirt too! I had what began as a "natural" birth, ha ha, which eventually involved an epidural, intense monitoring, and an emergency forceps delivery which should have been a C-section except that the midwife got into a brawl with the on call OB right there between my stirruped legs. Oh dear. She was only doing what she thought was right--saving me from the dreaded and disgraceful C-section. But we almost lost my baby. He was very acidotic at birth and had a placental and cord anomaly galore. (not breech though, obviously)

I can tell you right now that if, please G-d, I ever make it to 9 months, I'm going to be wanting a planned C-section. I've just been too traumatized and I am not willing to take any risks at all. I've had friends who have done home births and I don't challenge them on this, but support them if they have a skilled midwife, because USUALLY everything goes okay and the stats comparing hospital births to home births bears that out. But secretly, for myself, I'm thinking, "never."

Depending on the breech type, she should be able to deliver vaginally if she's really set on it. Is it her first child? This can make a difference as the baby's head is the biggest part, and if she's been all stretched already, it might be easier. Also, babies have been known to turn very near term (a woman I knew sat through a film in the cinema at 38 weeks while her baby turned- not sure how she managed it, but there you go).

My babies were never engaged until half way through labour, so I've never known what the big deal of enagaged vs not-engaged head was. It didn't seem to stop them coming out.

You know, wessel, home births scare the hell out of me. While I CAN understand the desire and beauty of them I myself want EVERYTHING POSSIBLE available right there, right now. Period.
And if you think I am definite in my desiring sections, you have to see my husband. When pregnant, should he anger me, I'll threaten him with " Yeah? Guess what - I'm gonna go natural AND YOU'RE GONNA WATCH". Hearing him plead "No! No! Please! Anything but THAT!!" ..... ahhh, I love it. Brings him to his knees every time.
And mind you - he's a doctor!

I was faced with this situation.
Wash Lady sums everything up well I thought.
What is worth knowing is that regardless of what tricks you try, only about 4 or 5% of babies are still breech at delivery, so even if your sister does nothing to turn the baby, chances are the baby will turn.

My third baby (now almost 4 months old) was a frank breech.
We tried ECV (External Cephalic Version) under ultrasound,(the position of the baby and the cord is determined precisely before any attempt is made). It was a OB whose specialty was turning babies who tried to turn mine. My beautiful, stubborn little girl did not want to turn. I was told by the doctor that her sucess rate was 20% - if a baby did not turn easily, then it should not be turned.

I had a c section booked for after my due date, so that gave the baby plenty of time to turn. I had the c section, but found it much more traumatic than my first 2 labours. Recovery was also tough, but I was prepared to be guided by my OB AND midwife. The best advice is to find practitioners that you trust, and don't beat yourself up if your stubborn baby does not turn - it will if it wants to, and if it doesn't there may be a good reason for it.

BTW, Breech babies have more chance of developmental problems with the hips. This is entirely treatable, but early detection means that the baby needs less intervention. Here in Australia, an ultrasound of a breech babies' hips is standard, and this is what picked up my daughter's problem.

I'd simply wait till week 38 and try then. In that case, if anything goes wrong (onset of labour is likely), at least the child won't be premature.

My daughter turned three weeks before our due-date and one week before she was born respectively.

My first child was breech. At 35 weeks, I began knee-chest for 15 minutes 3 times/day, played The Grateful Dead on a walkman positioned at my pelvis and at 36 weeks began using accupressure. Nothing worked. At 37 weeks, I went to a teaching hospital (instead of the community hospital where I was to deliver), because we decided we would rather have the procedure done by someone who does about 100 per year, rather than someone who had done about 100 in his lifetime. It took 2 physicians and 3 tries to turn the baby; it hurt like hell, and she had some serious distress immediately afterwards, but it all worked out okay. At the time, it was the right choice. I don't know what I would do if I were faced with the same situation now.

My other 2 babes were also breech until 37 weeks, but they flipped. I used same interventions as I did on the first. Best of luck to your sister!

I heart Christine.

My daughter turned footling breach late in the game and was not discovered until 41 weeks (yes that would be 41 weeks). Too late then for version.

I had a c- section and my experience was just like Christine's. After getting over the shock of being told that I could be induced, but would likely end up with an emergency c-section (she was big, overdue, footling breach, with low amniotic fluid and all sorts of other danger signals), I agreed to an immediate c-section.

It was quick, painless and I got to hold her within seconds of birth. Recovery was really quite tolerable, and I too chose a c-section over a v-back for my second.

This is not to scare your sister, but to let her know that if the c-section option is one of the considerations, its really not bad at all (particularly as Christine noted, if you have not endured a lengthy labour first).

Best wishes to your sister for a healthy baby and a safe delivery.

I am not willing to use Tertia's comment section as a debate/discussion platform so I will make my comments on my blog.

I invite you to come and share your opinion (even if it is different than mine)

The post won't be ready/posted until Wednesday/tomorrow because I have some committments to take care of today before I can write.

I'm sorry I don't know anything about turning a baby. But I had a great experience with a semi-planned c-section. (I told the doctor I wanted one. And at the last minute, my blood pressure gave him the perfect, insurance re-imbursable medical excuse.) Don't get me wrong-- I've always wanted a natural birth. (Squatting in the woods, attended to by maternal wolves. Under water. At home. You get my drift.) But at damn near 40, and in poor health, something inside me told me a natural birth would endanger both me and the baby. I was having nightmares over the whole thing. So if your sister plans for a c-section, tell her to relax-- it's not always a nightmare. It can actually be a pretty cool way to go.

She has plenty of time. Just let nature take its course. Do not do the version! My baby turned breech at 37 weeks and was head down again at 38 weeks. If I had done the version, it would have been a total waste. Plus, I talked to lots of people who did it and they all said it was horrendously painful and didn't work. Anyway, my baby turned head down, but I ended up with a horrible labor and a C-section anyway. Now I wish she had just stayed breech! Just tell your sister to let whatever happens happen. The healthy baby is all that matters.

She could try acupuncture... apparently there is a high success rate for turning breech babies

I say go for any natural methods for turning the baby. My daughter was a complete breech - in essence, she was sitting in a cross-legged yoga position, with her head in my ribs. I tried getting on my hands and knees, laying on the ironing board, everything - but no luck.

My doctor gave me the choice of a version or a c-section. She said with the way my daughter was positioned (very wide across the bottom), she didn't think a vaginal birth would be possible or recommended in that position (it could also damage my daughter's hips).

I asked about the version, and read up on it, but decided to go the c-section route. I had really wanted a drug-free vaginal birth, but I wasn't about to risk my daughter's health for what I wanted. The risks she would face in a c-section were less than the risks she would face with a version (and the version only had a 50% success rate - I could have still ended up with a c-section). Yes, my health risks were higher by having a c-section, but I was totally willing to take those risks for my daughter.

I'm not saying a c-section is a walk in the park. It was a tough recovery. But the important thing was that my daughter was born into the world healthy with no problems. And when we decide to have our next child, I'm all for trying a VBAC - I even got my doctor's word during the c-section that I would be eligible for a VBAC the next time around.

Go for the moxibustion, try acupuncture, try swimming - try it all. But I'd give a little more thought to the idea of a version.

I agree she's got plenty of time. With my second (and last!), was being monitored with weekly BPP. At 33 weeks, she was breech (and over 6 pounds - an estimate that was proven to be accurate at delivery). By 35 weeks, she was head-down again. Never felt her flip, never did a single thing to get her to turn.

I hope she has the same luck I did. (although, I still ended up with a section anyway due to cord prolapse issues - but not breech-ness! lol - so, maybe the turning luck, but none of the rest of my reproductive luck).

If you have an experienced well-trained acupuncturist, they can help. If not, try the moxa - it can't hurt anything and I've heard lots of success stories. Like PP, burn the sticks at the little toe of the left foot ( I think left. hhhmmm)

Oh yeah, and since it's hot weather there, this is another remedy I've heard of. Go swimming for an afternoon, and as often as she can, stand on her head under water. The water reduces gravity pressure and supposedly the baby won't like being jammed up in the top of the uterus and will turn around.

My first was frank breech, cross-legged like Buddha in my pelvis. I tried a bunch of things, but no dice, so I'm afraid I have no useful advice for your sister (though lots of sympathy!) They tried a version (which hurt like a muthafucker) but she didn't move, heartbeat stayed calm throughout, and she was born by C-section a week later (scheduled). Recovery not too bad.

My second was pointed the right way and I had a successful VBAC. Much better recovery, even with a tear, which was good because I have a toddler to deal with now.

Claire Gee~
Here in the U.S. they also automatically and immediately send all breech babies for hip ultrasounds to check for dysplasia. My baby had it done twice, in fact. Once for her hips and once for her neck b/c of her torticollis.

My daughter was breech until 2 days before my scheduled c-section. She knew it was time and flipped. My OB refused to try to move her - said in her experience babies do what they will do.

Hi Tertia

Been lurking for a while, but I thought it was about time to post.

I know it's not common today, but my elder brother (who now lives in Cape Town) was vaginally delivered as a frank breech back in 1968.

Our mother was 1.5 metres tall (5 foot nothing) and usually weighed under 50kg, but she managed to deliver him after 12 hours of labour.

My (normal) delivery was a walk in the park up to that. ;-)

One of mine tried to go breech for a few weeks, but luckily for me they both decided to come out the right way.

I agree with the comments about a properly-managed late-term version. Vaginal breech birth should only be attempted if you have experienced staff dealing with it, and it would probably help if you're a masochist! ;-)

Good luck to your sister.

I know a woman who had a breech baby turned by 'version' or manual exterior manipulation by her OBgyn at 38 weeks which she said was very, very painful and the baby died shortly afterwards in utero from getting twisted up in the cord during the turning. a very sad thing to have happened. Hope your sister's pregnancy goes very well and I think if the manual turning is being done by someone without a lot of experiance with 'version' or it appears to be too risky, then just don't do it.

A few starting points:
Article:
“If your baby is breech” includes details of moxibustion
http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/andrea13.html

Plenty more information on this site:
http://www.acegraphics.com.au/search/search.php?log=y&mode=all&q=breech&x=18&y=14

Your sister’s doctor may quote a major study – the term breech trial – as evidence of the preference for delivering the baby by caesarean. The following article highlights major flaws in this study.
http://www.birthspirit.co.nz/Articles/Articles/Breech%20birth%20beyond%20the%20TBT.pdf?PHPSESSID=85c52770a06dfd1c8739cc392f00b0d3

Three excellent books:
Breech Birth: What are my Options?
Produced by Association for the Improvement in Maternity Services, UK
http://www.acegraphics.com.au/product/book/bk846.html

Breech Birth Woman Wise
http://www.acegraphics.com.au/product/book/bk511.html

Breech Birth
http://www.acegraphics.com.au/product/book/bk782.html

not having ever delivered a baby head first, I don't have anything to compare to, but my bum first baby was delivered vaginally in only 4 hours from go to whoa.

and I'd do it again any day. (and she's quite proud of the fact that she presented herself to the world bum first!)

2 IVF babies - both were breech, 1st one - successful version on Dec 26th 2 years ago that lasted approx 23 seconds - fastest one the doc had ever done. Second one - version was long and painful and didn't work. Went in for an epidural, had another version, and delivered vaginally the same day. Both boys doing great.

But I did do a ton of research on version and exhausted all other methods except swimming pools. My favorite was sitting in a warm tub with a bag of frozen peas on his head (did that a lot December 25th 2 years ago - wow how time flies). I did the cigar sticks at my feet, the ironing board, did it all. My theory is that we "loosened" the first one up - that's why the version went so fast. We weren't quite as diligent on the second one with all the natural techniques. Good luck!

Just wanted to add my 2 cents--I just had a version done today and it was successful (initially! We'll see if she sticks). The pain was tolerable, mostly because it only lasted a minute or so. It went very smoothly, and if this is what it takes to have a non-induced vaginal delivery, I think its the way to go.

A really informative report with real data (as opposed to anecdotes) is at: http://www.aafp.org/afp/980901ap/coco.html As helpful as the personal stories are, it can throw your perspective off when one or two out of five are horror stories. The truth is that the risk associated with ECV is significantly lower than the risk associated with trying to vaginally deliver a breech baby--that's one of the big things that used to kill mothers & babies all the time.

I would like to relate my story. I went into labour 8 weeks ago with an undiagnosed footling breech. My daughter's leg came out during a visit to the toilet in the delivery room. Prior to allowing me to go to the toilet, an internal was performed and the midwife thought she felt an arm (certainly not the head). This didn't seem to raise any alarms. The midwives involved committed me to a vaginal delivery by immediately placing me in stirrups and performing an episiotomy. My daughter went into distress and lost her pulse by the time my doctor arrived. It took a further 9 minutes to deliver her. She died 2 weeks later from severe brain injury. If I could have my time again, I would never have allowed a vaginal delivery of such a risky breech position (up to 18% suffer cord compression and up to 25% die post delivery due to brain injury or spinal injury). I would rather be sitting here complaining about my sore tummy from a c-section than suffer the grief and loss I do now.

hey im 36 weeks and 2 days. went 4 an ultrasound 2day to find my baby had turned breech after being 3/5 engaged head down. a hour after scan the dr felt my tummy 2 discover baby is now transverse (sideways) and keeps changin from breech to transvers back to breech again. now have 2 stay in hospital 2 await a desision but after reading all your comments there is no way i will let them try and turn baby!!

Im 32 weeks and my baby is breach. This is my first baby and my doctor said that trying to turn the baby would be dangerious considering it's my first. I have a scheduled c-section and although Im scared to death, I want what ever is safest for my baby girl.

So, tell your sister to not try anything. We are all in Gods hands and even though some doctor might try to turn the baby, what is ment to be will take place and the baby could turn back.
Have faith in God and he will get us all past our fears. Plus, what's better, a scar on your tummy or an unhealthy or even dead baby??? I would never be able to forgive myself. Think of your beautiful baby before you think of anything else.

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my sister is 33 weeks, and has been diagnosed with a breech baby. her doc said the external shift of baby position is not possible, as she has less 'water'...what does this mean, and someone please help...

I had a version with second child and was induced same day she is fine. The 3rd baby was also turned, but at 37wks 2D, and they sent me home (as the doc was leaving that day for vaca.) with no ultra-sound and just an hour of fetal monitoring. I went 2 weeks later and she sent me to be induced as she came back that day.My daughter was born with x2 nuchal cord, and found out later in the pictures we took that there was also a knot in the cord. Nobody told us, she was blue but they did nothing...they would not let my husband cut her cord and now we know why. Now she has delays and swallowing problems. I was insulin dep. diabetic and 39 y.o. and come to find out my daughter was showing signs of distress 5 hours prior to her birth and up to birth on and off but nothing done not even a cord PH. BUT we do not have a diagnosis as I can't find a friggin neuro. that will stand by his "oaths" he made as a dr. and say the truth. Her pedi. knows it's a birth injury but other dr.s just want to say DD (NOS) and hypotonia..oh, and she has a "syrinx" in her spinal canal. Any thoughts. Please does anyone have a website or resource I can look up the risks mentioned above about a c-section as I was not notified about those risks. I can't find anything on the web so far, but the personal storys as yours. Thanks!

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I had read somewhere that doing handstands in a pool sometimes flips the baby.

I was at 35 wks, & several other methods hadn't worked. I was bracing for the big day when I reads about this. So we went to a hotel with a swimming pool, & I spent most of the weekend in the water doing handstands, with my husband holding my legs if needed. Going in for another ultrasound we saw that the baby had turned, & she stayed that way for the remainder of the term.

it seems to me that mothers are obsessed with having a natural birth - i have just been told my baby is breech and will certainly swim, and walk on all fours if needed but nobody gets to manipulate my baby except during c-section. it sound like a bizarre medieval torture practice. btw, my doula is not for version either.

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